#59 Level Up Recap with Zan Vidic

March 02, 2026

Level Up Training Recap

Gene and Žan sit down after Level Up training to talk about what made this year’s class such a success. The training sold out quickly and brought together technicians with experience levels ranging from just a few years to more than two decades.

One of the biggest highlights was the strong camaraderie among the students. Technicians stayed late working repairs, shared techniques, and built relationships that will continue long after the class ended.

Structured Skill Progression

The class followed a deliberate progression:

Glue pulling fundamentals
Sharp dent repair
Deep sharp dents
Sharp crease repairs
Advanced smash damage

Students consistently reported learning new techniques every day and gaining new insights into repairs they previously struggled with.

The BMW Smash Repair

One of the most memorable moments of the class was working on a severely damaged BMW hatch.

Originally expected to be a demonstration repair, it became one of the most complex repairs Gene has ever attempted.

The repair required:

Advanced tension setups
Team collaboration
Structural metal analysis
Controlled unfolding

The repair demonstrated how advanced damage often requires teamwork and problem-solving beyond standard techniques.

Learning Through Different Styles

One unique feature of Level Up is having two instructors with different repair styles.

Žan’s approach:

Fast production mindset
Aggressive pushing
Cherry cap techniques
Slide hammer glue pulling

Gene’s approach:

Retail-level precision
Controlled pushing
Mini-lifter glue pulling
Paint-safe techniques

Students benefit from seeing both approaches and developing their own repair style.

The Importance of Finishing Dents

One of the biggest lessons emphasized during training was the importance of finishing dents to a higher level.

Wholesale technicians often move quickly through repairs, but true skill growth comes from pushing repairs to the highest possible quality.

Technicians who consistently push themselves toward perfection continue improving long-term.

Team-Based Repair Inspiration

The conversation highlighted the team-based repair model used by Jay Ma and Superior PDR in Taiwan.

Instead of one technician completing a repair alone, multiple technicians rotate through large repairs to maximize efficiency and results.

Follow Jay Ma here:

Instagram: @superiorpdrtaiwan

This approach proved valuable during the BMW repair where multiple technicians worked together to move locked-up metal.

Online Training Resources

Žan also introduced his new Hail Damage Pro course — a nine-hour training focused on improving hail repair efficiency and quality.

The discussion emphasized that online training can be a powerful supplement to in-person instruction.

Future Level Up Classes

Another Level Up training is planned for next year with the same three-day format and limited class size.

Join the interest list:

https://www.dentrepairnow.com/level-up

Episode Transcript

#59 Level Up Recap with Zan Vidic
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Hey, what's up guys? Gene Fetty back at you with another episode of the All Access Podcast from Dent Repair. Now and as promised, I have the man, the myth, the legend who? That's you. Oh, oh wow. Hey everybody. I'm glad to be back. Yes. I don't know that he needs an introduction, but just in case. Yeah. John Vitz, vitz.

I'm getting better at this. You're getting very better. Yeah. Um, from Slovenia, the all time leading champion of PDR competitions. Yes. And, uh, your podcast. Alexis's podcast, yeah. Appearances. I think so. I think you might beat Jack, Jack. MTE was, it's on Jack. MTE was a tie. 'cause you were both on. Yep. Yep. Yeah.

But I think this might, uh. [00:01:00] This might edge it out. We're gonna have to go back and see. I think, I think Jack's gonna buy a plane ticket. Come here just to do a podcast. After he listens to this, Jack definitely would buy a plane ticket to come here to do a show. There's no question. And to take the stickers off of the doors.

Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. John's room. Did he, did he reply to you yet? No. Jack, why didn't you reply? Yeah. So John put a jack sticker on the door and scratched it out. Put a jean sticker on the door. 'cause both of the kids from when they were little, we had their names on their door. Right. And it just never took it off.

Um, so the battle between Jack and John, it is intensifying. It's on, it's getting heated. We might have to put a new wing on the house. So, um, we are both a little tired. Yeah. Yeah. From amazing three days. It was an amazing three days. Yep. Which is really like. Five or six days, or seven days. Yeah. Yeah. For, uh, for me it was five for you.

I don't know, probably six or seven. About weeks. Two weeks. Yeah. I don't know. Uh, but [00:02:00] getting ready for level up, um, but it was a huge success. Yeah. Right. So we were completely blown away that we sold it out in four days. Yep. Right. Turned it on Monday morning and then when I was eating breakfast Friday morning, it was full.

I was, I was honestly scared again, a little bit because, not scared, but we always say, we're gonna start promoting this way ahead of time. And then we are always like two, three weeks before this, like, Hey, sign up. Yeah. Right, right. Yeah. We're gonna try to be better about that. Yeah. Yeah. We need to be. Yes.

Uh, so I, I guess not so much we, but I have been talking on here about a potential fall level up. And talking to John, your schedule seems quite busy. Really, really full. So I don't think, I would not promise anything. Let's see where everything takes us. So yeah, I don't think we're, look, it's not looking good for a fall.

Yeah. Level up. Definitely. For the spring. [00:03:00] Yeah. Next, next year, next February, a year from now. Yeah. Roundabouts. Yep. Uh, I think we were kicking around the weekend after MTE. Yes. 'cause next mt is gonna be in February, right? Yeah. mid-February, something like this. Yeah. I think it ends around the 14th. Yep. Or something like that.

Yep. Yeah. So it would be the weekend after that. Yep. Right. So you could kind of go home, get your affairs in order, not you, you're staying here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm gonna stay here and, and then, uh, come on in. So, uh, that's cool. So let's talk a little bit about this week. Um, like, I think it was awesome. Yeah, I think so too.

Every time before class, I'm thinking. Is this worth it? You know? Right. And every time after, so the last day on Saturday when we went to the, not because we went to the bar, the cigar bar, we went to the cigar bar, hung out as a whole class. Yep. We were there [00:04:00] and I was just very happy how this turned out, uh, how we connected not just us and the students, but the whole group together.

Like all, yeah. Let's say 10, 11, 12, Dave and Mac as well, so Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. The, the comradery portion. So it doesn't surprise me that this happened because we're all wired a little differently to do PDR. Yeah. Like there's definitely something wrong Yep. In our brains to do this. Um, it's a, it takes a special breed to do this and to do this at, at a, a high level.

Yeah. At a good level. Right. You. You've paid your dues. Uh, you, I'd love, I think we should all take personality tests and kind of see Yeah. Where we fall. Um, but this class, uh, we had it last class as well, but this class really, they all connected. Yes. Um, you know, we did the, the group dinner, we did Friday nights.

Mm-hmm. Man, I thought it we'd be in and out in like an [00:05:00] hour. Yeah. Yeah. And it was a three and a half hour dinner. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, 'cause everybody was just sitting around and, and connecting. Um, and you know, I, I know last night I saw everybody exchanging phone numbers. Like, Hey, we gotta stay in touch. Yeah.

Hey, I'm gonna go to the, I'll be at the expo, make sure we go out and Yep. Uh, and not saying that the last year's group was not great, it was also great. No. Yes. But this one just, I think connected a little bit more. It did, but each individual connected with other people more. Um, it was really amazing. When we were there, I was like, it was.

Hundred percent worth it. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Um, so for me, right. I have those same concerns, like, man, is it worth it because it's so much work. Yeah. And especially for you, you're shutting down the shop as well. Yeah. For, for this time and prepping beforehand. Yes. And going to get panels and organizing and collecting all the tools.

It, it's a lot of work. Yep. And I never want to do something and not deliver a hundred percent the value. Yes. I wanted to, I want to be on [00:06:00] my game a hundred percent. In fact, we were like half, three quarters of the way through day one. Mm-hmm. And Max's like, dad, are you okay? Like, you're running around like a maniac.

And I'm like, dude, I gotta stay on it. I have to. We gotta deliver for these guys. Yeah. Like it's, it's, they came here to learn from us. It wouldn't be fair if we didn't deliver, if we were just laying back in the seats and, Hey, you're pushing good. Yeah, no, we are, we're, we're on it. Like locked in it's game time.

Um, so I always wanna perform. I wanna make sure that the students that are here. Learning skills or, or if not learning new skills. Really improving sharpening Yes. And honing the skillset they have. Yeah. And you always get nervous each day, right. At the end of the day. Mm-hmm. We went back to the classroom and we sort of do that, that let's review the day.

What did you learn? Yep. Every single day, every single student had something. He learned aha moments. Yes. Right. [00:07:00] Every single student picked up something new every single day. Yeah. Yeah. They each had something to say, like, today I learned this. The next day he learned this was always something. Yes. It was not.

Well, yeah, it was nice, but I don't know if I ever heard anything, you know? Right. No. Every day somebody picked up something. Yeah. And that was just one. It's like reaffirming that, okay, we are doing it right. Yep. But two, that they're getting the value out of the class. That we want them to get. Yeah. And, and we had again, a range of two, two and a half year technician.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Jeremy, yeah. To, to John. He was like 20 plus years. Yeah. Around the same time as me. So I think oh two he came in, so Yeah. Yeah. 24 years in. Yeah. Uh, and I listen, I'm still learning. Yeah. Just 'cause I'm one of the instructors. Me too. Me too. Yeah. Like still learning. Yep. Yeah. Um,

yesterday when we wrapped up the, uh, you know, [00:08:00] business marketing sales portion of it mm-hmm. Uh, and then Nazar Yeah. Was like, oh man, I didn't even really want to come back in here. And I was ready to get roasted. Like, we set, like, I just finished a two hour presentation, so, so before you did that presentation.

Seven out of eight people said they want to do the marketing portion with Gene. Yeah. Because we, we have this and on the last day, and there is that last day, there is a chance if you want to go with the, in the classroom with Gene, listen to marketing or you wanna stay back and, and work on some more skills, some more dance with me.

And seven out of eight said they want to go with you. Right. And I was looking at Nazar 'cause he wanted to step back and I'm like, it's just you and me here man. Let's go there. You can learn something. Even, even if you work for someone, even if you don't look for your own own work, you don't talk to customers, clients.

You're not trying to get business because they feed you business. You still need these soft skills. Yes. Right? Yes. Yeah. So I kind of forced [00:09:00] him to go. So, so Jean forces him in, uh, we wrap it up and we sit down and we're doing, it's end of the class, end of the day wrap up. And we started with the nazar and.

His eyes wide open. And you're right. And you're like, so I'm like, John, I just talked for two hours. You take point. So you go right to Nazar. And he's like, oh, you know, I didn't even really want to come back here for this marketing and the sales talk. And I'm like, I'm starting to deflate. I You probably didn't see it 'cause you're No, I didn't see it.

I was looking at Kim like, oh man, it's kind like, damnit, we messed up. And then he lights up and he's like, I didn't even know I needed to know this stuff. Yep. He's like, this is gonna help me with insurance adjusters. This is gonna help me if I have to talk to a customer. And the protector, a pro protector close.

Yeah. The pro tractor close. He just lit up. And I almost feel like if we would've just done the marketing classroom, he, he would've been good the whole time. Yeah. He was like, thank you, bye. Yeah. It was amazing, uh, to, to see that, [00:10:00] like, because he came strictly for the skills. Yes. And at the end. He compared the hard skills.

The The pushing skills. The hard skills. Skills. Pulling skills, yes. So at the end, he compared your protractor close the soft skill. He's like, that's the same value as if when, when I did taught him how to, how to fix the, like the sharp edge. Those sharp edge, drill edge. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Was the same value at the end for him.

That's amazing. Yeah. Yeah. And he didn't even know he needed it. Yes. Which is even better. Yeah. It's like a bonus. Yes. Yeah. Super cool. Um, he even said like, I'm coming back next year for sure. Yeah. Yeah. So, and speaking of coming back next year for sure, uh, we had Chase Yes. Who was in last year when we, it was a five day Yes.

Came back and Chase from like two episodes ago. I think it was two or three. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, he came back and that added some pressure. We're like, because the class, the, the [00:11:00] format is really much the same. Yes. Right. Much, and we put it down to three days. Yeah. So I'm like, man, what are we gonna teach Chase?

Like, and Chase is a good tech. Uh, I think, I think he's a better tech than he thinks he is. Yep. Um, and I know we built him some confidence this weekend or this week, uh, talking to him at the end, we're like, all right, chase, you know, sweat's starting to roll down my forehead. Yeah. Give us the feedback. How, how, how was it like It was two days less than last year.

Yeah. Compared what did you do? He said, man, I, I think I got as much out of these three days Yes. As I did out of the five days last year. Mm-hmm. And it was all different stuff to him. All different skills. Yep. That he learned this year over last year, even though our syllabus is the same, basically almost identical.

Right. Yeah. Just a bit more condensed down. Yeah. But, but you think about it even, even if you are reading a book or something, right? Yeah. Like if [00:12:00] you, I listen to, to audio books. The second time I listen, it's like a different book. Yes. Because you, first time you catch some information, then next time you listen to it, you catch the different information.

'cause you already know this information. Yes. Right. Yeah. Yeah. And you can do this five, six times with the book. Listen, I have one of my favorite all time, like self-help books is How to Win Friends and Influence People by Dale Carnegie. Dale Carnegie, not Carnegie. Anyways, that's a Pittsburgh thing. I have, I bet I've read that book no less than 10 times.

Yep. I pick up something new every time I've read it and it's not even a long or difficult to understand book. Yeah. Maybe I'm just a slow learner. Yeah. But, but in reality, that repetition, it's a different book every time. And I think learning high level, super detailed PDR skills Yeah. Is different every year depending on where you are, your skillset is.

Yeah. But to go back to the [00:13:00] book, how My Brain Works. When I'm listening, listening and I hear a good information, I want to remember. My mind focuses on that. My brain starts, okay, just thinking on that. Don't forget this on how I would apply this or whatever, but the book goes on. You know? That's why, that's one of the reasons Melissa hates audiobook so much.

Yeah. She's like, I'll get stuck and I'll do this, or I'll daydream. She's like, if I'm reading, I'm actively reading. Yeah. I do the same thing. Yeah. But I will use that 32nd backup or the 15 second backup button. Rewind. Rewind. What did I just miss? I don't need just 15, 30 seconds. You need a long time. More time.

But when we were working, it's great to listen to a books, you know and Right. I love it. Um, so let's talk about some of the repairs we worked on this week. We started with Sharp. Yes. And everybody in the class say they loved how the skills progressed. Yes. So the damage progress. That was planned, by the way.[00:14:00]

Yeah. We didn't lock into that. Yeah, we, we built that in. Yeah. So we started with small sharp, and it's not small, but area wise it's just a sharp, deep dent. It's not long crease. It's not big smash. It's sharp dent. Sharp. Sharp impact. Deep dent. Yes. No, I'm lying. We started on pulling, which is a sharp dent.

Yeah, it is. But glue pulling. Yeah. Yeah. So we started with glue pulling because for that we need cars and we wanna do the glue pulling first outta the way. We did some cold glue, we did some blending and um, glue pulling I think went great, except for the paint. Yeah. Well, you bought a, you got a bad rental car.

I mean, I mean, we used a bad car that you brought in. Yeah. That was your own vehicle. Yeah. Yeah. For demonstration purposes. Um, it's a hard dent. It is, it is a hard end. Uh, on the first glance when you look at it, you don't think it's a hard end. Right. Right. 'cause it just looks like a good Yeah. What would did that one measure out three inches?

I think when we [00:15:00] estimated it like double oversize. Yeah. Yeah. Good. Double oversize. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Uh, looking at the triple maybe, but depends 'cause we did a few different ones. Mm-hmm. Um, but yeah, everybody was like, oh yeah, that's easy then. I mean Yeah. I can glue pull that. Right. Until they started to glue pull that.

Yeah. Yeah. And they did great. They did. They surprised us to be honest. They surprised me across the board. Yep. They all did. Well, um, James Fireman. Yes. James. Yeah. We got, sorry James, we're just busting your stones. Yeah. You got a new nickname now, fireman. Ah, working with him. Right. He was really struggling with, uh, accuracy of tab placement and knockdown mm-hmm.

Placement on it. And I got, we got him dialed in and when he finished. He grabbed me and he's like, dude, that's the cleanest rail den I've ever done. Certainly anything that big. He's like, I've never done anything anywhere near that. Yep. In fact, one of his body shops, uh, had [00:16:00] texted him for a job and he's like, oh, I can't, I'm going to a training.

Yeah. They said, well, maybe they'll be able to teach you how to fix a rail. So, so we took him from the body shop busting his balls. Yep. To, I mean, dude, that's a, that's a hard dent. Yeah, it is. I mean, we're talking, you know, when I, when I, when we priced these out, like six or $700 Single dent round rail dent.

Yeah. Right. Without being ball buster. Crazy on the price because it was deep down, super deep. Yep. And crowned out, like his dent was probably actually more like four inches. Yeah. The way it crowned. 'cause he was towards the back of the rail. Mm-hmm. Um, man, he did a great job. Once, once we got him dialed in with the accuracy.

Light placement and you know, again, these solid fundamental skills we're working on. Yeah. Amazing to see and to hear back, that's repair one. On day one, he already had a win of like, I've never done that kind of repair, that clean ever. Yep. Hands [00:17:00] down. Yeah. And that's what the feedback we want to get. Yes. I was more worried, not more most worried before the class with the other James.

Yes. Line guy. Line guy. I was worried like James is a big listener. So James, what's up dude? We won't call your last name out just in case he makes you nervous. But you did amazing. Yep. But we were both sweating because the line, because if he's coming in with the lines, I don't know how I can help him.

Like I don't do lines, I don't read lines. But he was very open, very teachable, and he was immediately, Hey, if you guys gimme fog, I'm doing fog. Yep. So we could transition with him between fog and lines. Yes. He used lines at the end for finishing. Right. Which. I can still look at the fog and say, Hey, this is high, this is low, do this.

And Okay. And he put back on lines and finished it up de he could see the highs Yes. And work precisely. Yeah. And he came back and the super sharp dent like repair number two. Yep. Um, which is a nasty, nasty, sharp [00:18:00] dent. Yeah. With the phenolic tip, you hit it like four times a lot. It's, it's really, if it had a slightly bigger bottom, it's definitely a stretch dent.

Yes. It's probably as deep as you can go and not stretch, but you need to be laser perfect focused in the bottom or you're in big trouble and probably a little bit deeper. It's gonna crack every paint. Oh, right. And, and doesn't, because these paints did crack. Sure. But because some panels were older and stuff and repainted maybe.

But you know, but if you have a brand new car. Deeper than that. I'm sure it's cracking. Absolutely. Well, you're compressing the paint so hard. Yes. When you're pushing down. Yeah. Yeah. But he finished that. Um, I think he even stayed late. Yeah, he did. He stayed late and finished it. Mm-hmm. And then came back in early the next morning to get another little bit of a jumpstart on it.

The look of joy on his face when he was like, Hey Gene, you gotta come over and see this. Like, this came [00:19:00] out so good. And he's like, I've never done anything. It was almost like the other James was talking again. Yes. Uh, but he's like, I've never had a repair like this come out so clean. Mm-hmm. He's like, look at it just, and really it just flowed right into the panel.

Yep. Fantastic job. Yeah. Yes. So the repair number three then from the sharp was to the crease. Yeah. Sharp. Super sharp crease. Yep. This is a heavier duty version of the crease that I coached Mac on to place at the beginner's competition. Yeah. Same style though. It's. Really, I was given Mac creases maybe deeper than what these guys were working on, but not the sharp that he, that he couldn't do.

Okay. Oh no. Like this sharp. Oh, okay. But like, I probably stretched him. Yeah. Yeah. I was really trying to push him hard. Yep. Um, but like, uh, think of about the tightest deep, sharp line crease you could make. Uh, we've got a special tool we [00:20:00] used to make them, that puts a man that's probably a millimeter at the bottom, less than a millimeter.

It's, it's sharp. Yeah. Just a nasty you can't miss. Yeah. If you miss, it's a curse of that. You're just locking it up. Yep. Yeah. Yep. Um, so we teach the techniques on those, and both jameses again, they said they, that was the nicest crease they have ever faced. Absolutely, yes. Yep, yep. And even Matt, uh, came in.

With a killer, nice crease repair, all of them did the killer. Nice crease repairs at the end. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They had really good teachers, I think. I think so too, huh? Yeah. It must be the instructors, um, that gene guy, man. No, that guy's, that guy's rough. Yeah. Some foreigner maybe. Uh, I don't know. Does, does he speak English?

It's [00:21:00] rough. Oh, yeah. It's, yeah. It's hard to understand him. Um, but I mean, it went better than we could have hoped. Yeah. Until Saturday morning. What was Saturday morning? The BMW. Oh, yeah. So part of the adjustment we made going from five days down to three is in the five day we had two full days. Them smash, working on Smash.

Smash. Yeah. I mean beyond, like, probably beyond Repairable smash. Uh, pushing them, pushing the damage to the extreme mm-hmm. So that they can learn how to bring it back to repairable. Yeah. Right. And the reason we took those two days off were everybody, I mean, everybody on day four and definitely on day five, exhausted is so exhausted and burned out that they become not productive.

[00:22:00] Yeah. Right. Which is why we shortened the three days and the only thing in three days, everybody was sharp the whole time. Yeah. Yeah. And the only thing we were doing of those fourth and fifth day, they were cleaning out those nasty doors that they make, you know? Yes. Yep. Cleanup is a a so is a big part of that.

Yeah. Repair. Yeah. It takes a lot of time. Especially if you're exhausted after a whole week. Right. So that was basically last year's. Last day. Just yes. Pushing on that and Yep. Almost mindless work. Yeah. And, and we wanted to take that away, but we didn't wanna not teach unlocking and smash repair. Yep.

Stuff. So last week, well, I guess it would be two weeks ago now when you're listening to this, at a customer come in with a, it's a 2014 BMW 3 28 gt, which is a weird little hatchback version of the 3 28. So not a trunk, but a hatch. [00:23:00] Her brother borrowed the car, whatever, left the gate up or didn't open the, he must have left the gate up.

Did not clear the garage door, jammed it in, crushed it. Um, I think in her words, he's an idiot. It, it, it was, or something like that. Um, that was a, it was a very nasty then nasty stuff. Very nasty stuff. Um, and it was. Worse than it looked, way worse than, and it looked horrible. It looked, it looked bad. So this dent was absolutely a no.

Like, we're not gonna do this. This is crazy. I should have tried to figure out how to put a picture of it up in here, but that's a little too advanced. I don't have this figured out yet. I don't know. Um, but we looked at it, we Friday we sort of assessed it, right, like pulled it up to the garage and looked at the damage.

So if you can picture, uh, 3 28, so like mid-size car, the damage is probably three [00:24:00] feet. A meter? Yeah, yeah. About a meter, A meter across, um, completely shoved in it. The impact was right where the BMW Roundel goes. It hit in and crunched the body lines and pushed up. And then next to that, two big, huge crowns.

And then down in, and then these two. Crinkle folds. Yes. In the metal. So bad and so uniform. And in the same spot that we were Sure there was structure. Yeah. Some brace in there that it went in and hit the brace. So the lady, sorry, let's rewind. When the lady comes in, I'm like, man, this is a no. Like it's a, in fact, one of the first words out of her mouth were like, I've been to the body shop, I got a quote and I'm not putting that much money into the car.

And I think it's an eight or $9,000 car. Yeah. And the damage was four and a half. Yeah. And I wouldn't, I can't blame her. I wouldn't put Yeah, me neither. Yeah. They'll just drive the car. Half the line. Yeah. So I looked at it [00:25:00] and I'm like, it might be your lucky day. And I went and grabbed some tools and did some RNI just to check for access.

And I said, listen, we're doing an advanced PDR training here next week. If you can leave the car with me for a few days, I'm willing to attempt this at a reduced rate and we will see what we can do. She's like, oh, well that works. I'm actually going on vacation Friday. Whatever. You can have it for a week.

She's like, can I leave it here for a week? And dude, thank goodness I've got it for a week. Yeah, I still got some time to put into this. Um, so it was, it was a no repair from me, but I thought, man, this would be a really great 'cause I thought it was gonna move. Yeah. I really thought it was gonna be a great example.

Smash demo, right? Yeah. So like I figured I'd unfold it about an hour and a half, two hours, and then we could send them on to doing some unfolding and working on some technical stuff. Yep. So we pull it in, we get it there early Saturday, start tearing it apart. Uh, we get the inside [00:26:00] the interior off and I'm like, oh my gosh.

Oh, open. There's beautiful access. And those two, um, structure impact points we were worried about. Yeah. No structure, nothing. Just a kink. Yeah. And we're luck. Amazing. Ah, cool. So, uh, being the guru myself, self proclaimed. Yeah. Nonetheless, uh, we get out the perfect full pull tower, um, fire up the big JVF gun, like we're ready to go to war with this thing and set up my tension points and set up a pool.

Uh, start to move just a little and then it stops. Yeah. And then I reassess and I promise you I'm, you know what, like, the most stressful repair I've ever done was the cam auto GPR competition last year. Mm-hmm. That was the most high stress repair. Why? Why was it so stressful? I was representing the entire country in a competition.

Yeah. Which is huge. [00:27:00] And it was 16 hours mm-hmm. Of just balls to the wall work this repair. Once it started to not, I'm really confident in front of a group when this repair started acting, how it was acting. I was sweating it and everybody was quiet. I could tell they're watching every single move and I can hear some like,

and I'm like, oh man, they're shit. They're talking about what? I'm like, what are you saying back there? And I go in, we get some, I get some tools in on it to move. And this thing is just absolutely locked up. I mean, we're, I'm pulling hard lateral tension. Um, I, I've got constant pressure out. I've got two letter A tensions.

Yeah. Two lateral tensions pushing on it. And this thing won't move. And I'm like struggling. I'm. Hour and 20 minutes in. Mm-hmm. And I'm like, alright guys, we gotta take a pause here [00:28:00] because I don't know what to do. Yeah. Like, I need to really step back and reassess this. Don't pull everything off. I think that mental was so thick.

I think it's so thick and hard to move. Yeah. Because if that would be, if that would be, uh, some thinner metal Yeah. That would move. Yes. Like from everything that you threw at it. Right. Right. You know, it should have moved. Yeah. It definitely should have moved. So we stopped and reassessed, uh, to make sure, like, I don't wanna sit there and just watch, have students watch me beat my head against the wall.

Yep. So we paused and, and like reassessed and, uh, a good portion of the group wanted to go work on stuff and John took them and worked on stuff. And then there were three or four guys. Yeah. It was kind of, it was staff. I guess it was half and half. Yeah. I got four. You got, yeah. Uh, there were like, man, let's, you know, let's put our heads together and figure this out and see if we can move it.

I can't wait to keep an eye out on dent repair now social media. I will be sharing the before and after some [00:29:00] of the crazy tension setups we did. Mm-hmm. Definitely. This is absolutely the most complex repair I've ever done. So in the morning when we started, I was sweating every bit as much as I sweated in that 16 hours of Cam Auto in an hour and a half.

And then once we were into it and got it to start moving way more complex than even that repair. Yep. And that was like ridiculously hard. I mean, it was a pull to paint, push to paint folded door. Yes. This, this is exponentially more difficult. Um, and it was actually very cool to work with, uh, John and Matt and Jeremy, uh, were the three that were in it the most, uh, and were really needed to go dissect the metal mm-hmm.

And figure out what to do and how to get it to move and unfold. Teaser. We're not out of the dark yet. I've still got the worst part of the impact to get to move, but we've got the folds to [00:30:00] move where we can, uh, get in there. In fact, maybe when we start doing some snippets of this, and this shows up in the clips, I'll see if I can't post, uh, like a photo in the comments somewhere.

So keep an eye on that. Uh, but we worked on that until two o'clock, uh, when we broke for the talk. Yes. Um, finally got it to unleash, loosen loose and break free flow. I don't know. I don't, I'm a little scramble. Yeah. The tension. Yeah. Yeah. It was crazy, the tension in the panel. It was just so locked up. Um, in fact, the guys were like, Hey, is this like what you did last year?

And I'm like, no. And they're like. Do you think this would be like advanced, like what you're gonna teach? I'm like, Nope. This is definitely at least way Bryce Kelly one on one level training stuff. Yeah. Um, so because, because we are not shooting with this class to do top level [00:31:00] advanced smash. No. Huh? You crashed into a wall.

Now you need us to PR it. Yeah. But we're not doing that. But we fell into it on this one. Yeah. And we adapted and the students really embraced it and stepped into it. Yeah. Um, it was, I'm, I think I might still be a little sore from contorting myself in under there and, and working as a team. Uh, but I'm actually really excited at how it's moving.

Mm-hmm. And I'm more excited in the, like we started off about comradery, the way they stepped up. Group of technicians stepped up and we came together and we all worked as a team Yep. To help move it together. It even reminded me of how Jay MA works, works in a team. That's amazing to have, how, what JAMA has there.

I want to have enough work in the shop that we can work as a team. Yeah. Yep. And that would be amazing. And I can definitely see the benefits because when you're in this ridiculous repair and you're getting a little frustrated mm-hmm. And you need to walk away, there's another hand that comes in here or Right.

I literally was in the car [00:32:00] doing some like knockdown, big knockdown work from the inside. Yep. And the guys are on the outside adjusting tension and keeping heat. Yes. And watching. And then I'll stop and they'll work some crowns that would literally be, uh, unfeasible to do by your, I don't know how Bryce does it.

So, so for listeners that don't know, JAMA is in Taiwan. Yes. And he has a company of like Superior PDR. Yeah. Like I think 16 to 20 technicians. Something, a bunch, something like that. Yeah. And they all attack these bigger repairs as a group. So one would start, the second one would jump in. They just like tag team and switch.

Yes. It's amazing. Yeah. Really smart. It's really smart on some. Larger repairs and I don't do a lot of them, but I get some. And ever since I known of how JAMA works this Yeah. Not just him, his company. Right, right. Um, I was thinking, man, it should be nice. It sure would be nice to have someone jump in for two hours.

Just move it along a [00:33:00] little bit. Yep. And I can come back in and, you know, yeah. And tackle it and go after it. Yeah. Maybe I need to start working with Mac into a team scenario on some of these repairs. Yeah. Yeah. That could be a good idea. Yeah. So I will put it in the show notes to Superior PDR. I'll, I'll find his handle and share like, I think he's big on Instagram is his biggest channel.

Yeah. It's either Instagram or TikTok, whichever one it is. I'll go find his handle and it'll be in the show notes or the YouTube description. And go check out Jay Ma and Superior PDR if you have not Very great. Appears they do. Um, yes. But very, very cool stuff. Uh. Let's, let's talk about like what's a pretty good rundown of the class?

Let's talk about our teaching styles. Yeah. Which is something I think that is really unique to this class, because even when you look at like advanced skills mm-hmm. You're generally not getting different perspectives on a repair, like whoever's teaching this [00:34:00] repair process. Yep. You get their perspective.

Yes. One of the things I like to do, or, or like that we do is that we both have different approaches. Similar, yeah. But different. Well, I mean, it's just fixing metal, like Yeah. How many different ways can you do it? Yeah. Uh, but we take different approaches and have little, slightly different theories. I love that the students get to see two perspectives.

Yeah. And, and like every year, for example, with the sharp end, you do the finale, I do the cherry cut. Yes. And each of the students, then they go and they try our te. Every year. Half of them likes cherry cap. Half of them like finale. Yeah. Yeah. Where do I get those finale like tips? Yeah. And no, I'm gonna go do the cherry cap.

Yeah. I like the cherry cap. You know? Yeah. Ms. R was blown away that you could do that with a cherry cap. Yes. Like you blew his mind. Yeah. He's like, oh, cherry cap. And then on the cruise, oh you cherry cap. Yeah. So yeah, that is, um, the difference. I like to do cherry cap. Um, I am [00:35:00] very, so my pushing style, 'cause I'm very impatient.

How would you say that? Impatient. Yeah. I want to get this thing done and out right quick as possible by, so you have a more of a hail mentality. Yeah. Go, go, go. Because I'm a Hillman. Go go. Well, right. Sure. I'm not saying it's wrong. Yep. So you have that fast production gotta go mentality. And if you run into a problem, I supplement it.

Yeah. No big deal. Yep. I, on the other hand, am primarily a retail technician. Most of our cl, most of our vehicles are not insurance claims. Mm-hmm. And we're doing everything we can to protect the paint Yep. To work more cautiously. So, aggressive style. Aggressive style. Definitely cautious style. Yeah. Right.

Safe style glue pulling. Mm-hmm. You're like, man, grip it, rip it, flip it, slide hammer, grip it, rip it, flip it, smack it up, rub it down. Yep. I don't [00:36:00] remember the song, but it's something like that. I don't know. But, but uh, but you're, you fast boom. That's how you ended up Yeah. Getting your, your 13th title, the paint pulling world changed.

Exactly. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. That's an unofficial though. It is. It is, but it is on the light. It is. So it's semi-official. Yeah. Yeah. I'm gonna have Carl put that on the new light. Um, whereas if I'm going at No, I, I slide hammer a lot. Yep. On rails. If I got, if I've got that nasty dent mm-hmm. That we're teaching on, I'm for sure going robo lifter.

Yeah. Mini lifter for sure. I just slow control, I just don't have the patience for it. Yeah. I don't, if I, when I do a pull, when I set the tap, I expect that tap to move metal as much as it can. Right. Sometimes robo lift is a p, nothing happens. And do it again. Nothing happens. Or move just a little. I lose my mind with this.

I need a tap. I need to, and let's go. Just send it. Yep. Yeah. I can appreciate [00:37:00] that. And it works. Yeah. But you pull a whole lot more paint than I do. Well, I hate to say it, but in Europe I don't, no. Paint holds a lot better in Europe. Huh? Really? That's good. Yeah. I believe it. Thinner metals over there or what, what do you, what do you attribute that to?

Probably maybe thicker layer of paint. Okay. That would be my guess. Sure. Well, I mean, I German paint's my favorite paint. Yeah. So, yeah, I could see that. Huh? Curious. What do you guys find? If I have European, I don't know how many European listeners I have. I don't know if I have some. Do you pull more paint or less paint than John?

But they don't, that's the question. I dunno how, how much? It's a lot. He pulls a lot of paint here. No, I don't. They're just busting my boss. He made me pull paint last year. It was so bad. Well, who pulled it? You? Not me. You made me do it. You were holding a circus Rod. You were hit me in the head with it. I had to do it.

Um, yeah. But, but my style is aggressive, fast. Um, let's reach that level. We want [00:38:00] to, and it, it's, it, my style didn't came from, from the start immediately like this. Right, right. So my cherry kept pushing and everything. I know when I push aggressive with cherry cap, I know I'm putting that metal and that paint to a limit.

But I know that limit, right? 'cause I did it so many times. You know, you're not over pushing. Exactly. You're not taking, you're taking it up, but you're not taking it. Exactly. You're not, you're not trying to crack it. Yes. You're not trying to overextend the metal. And, and I know and feel, maybe it sounds stupid, but I feel how far I can go with, with the push to still not crack the pain.

Yeah. Break the pain. I get it. Whatever. Yeah. You don't crack paint very often. It's pull paint. Yeah. I know what metal can take. Right. What kind of push? Because that push that I do, if you notice it's not fast. No. It's a slow push. It's a slow but [00:39:00] aggressive, strong, but it's moving it up nice and slow.

Mm-hmm. It does. It makes perfect sense. Yeah. And you're one of the cleanest, most precise pushers I've ever seen. Yeah. Like it really is nuts. Totally nuts. Um, if you

didn't come to the class. Couldn't make it, didn't make it, didn't know about the class and missed it. You should go to dent repair now.com/level dash, whatever you wanna call that. Little minus mark minus up and hop on the mailing list. So when we announce the dates months before, months ahead of time, no, no, no.

Whoever goes on that side and goes on the mailing list, it'll be before we announced it. Before Yeah. Before it goes public. Yes. Yes. So they have the first, uh, access. That's what I mean. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what it's for. First access. Yep. Um, but anyways, sign up and get on the list. I don't have time to send out a bunch of emails and bother you, so I won't, and I'm not gonna sell your emails to anybody either [00:40:00] unless somebody writes a gigantic check, um, and buys the whole company.

Hmm. Well then, uh, but you're not selling emails at that point. No, no. I'm selling everything. And I'll be at the beach if you need me. Um. What should you be working on? Uh, in fact, Jeremy, when we were at the cigar bar last night, sort of decompressing and everyone was talking, he's like, what should I work on?

Like, what, what should I focus on? And he's a wholesale, wholesale retail tech. The best piece of advice I could give him was, especially for the wholesale tech. Wholesale tech, like, what should you be working on? What's the best thing you can do? Finish your dents. Yeah. Don't now I, I'm not saying finish every single dent to a hundred percent retail.

Perfect. Because that doesn't make sense that if you were looking to hone your pushing skills, push yourself. [00:41:00] I would like to see daily on a job, if not daily, at least weekly. Yeah. A few dance a week that you, to finish the dent to as good as you can make it. Yep. Right. And several technicians in the class this week, if they would slow down and do that occasionally they will continue to level up.

Yes. Right. If you fall back into your go, go, go, I gotta go. I gotta get done. There both ways. The fireman was a perfect example. Exactly. And he said, even he said it even himself like I'm a wholesaler. I never go to this level 'cause I don't need to. Right, right. But if you don't push yourself to that level and push yourself to that level regularly, you will never be at the top of your PDR game.

Yeah. You have to push for perfect. And he thought he perfect relative, but yeah, nothing is a hundred percent. I always say push for as good as you can do. Yeah. Aim for a hundred percent. But we know nothing is a hundred percent right. Yeah. Do it [00:42:00] as best as you can. Oh, excuse me. Come on Gene. Sorry dude, it's late.

You kicked my ass. This is a lot of work. A whole lot of work. Um. So we just talked about the difference between European cars mm-hmm. And American cars. Mm-hmm. Right. The paint here versus the paint there. What about the technicians? What does, so here in America, we all have a really good idea of what the day-to-day looks like.

What are you seeing in the European market repair wise? Only hail, only door dings. No smash smashes coming around. What, what are you seeing? So, I would say hail is definitely the dominant repairs. So mainly hail. Um, we don't get as much money on the smashes. Some better countries. I mean, better economically, right?

Higher, yeah. Slovenia is tough on Yes. Repair pricing. Yes, I get it. [00:43:00] But. Germany. I think Shan, for example, um, he's doing, uh, no hail. I mean, if it gets a hail car, yes, of course he does it. But, uh, he's not a ha chaser. So he's staying local, fixing, fixing door dings and uh, smashes bigger repairs. Um, and he's getting good prices for it.

So it all depends on the country you're in, basically. Sure, sure. But for sure, in every country you are, hail pay pays good, you know, compared to where you are. Of course. So hail is definitely the dominant, I think. Okay. And less smash. Yes, because it just across the, and I've heard that for years, that Europeans maybe don't value factory paint as much and or body rates are low and bodies will be fixed cheap and you can't compete with that, or you can't drive your prices well beyond for the most part.

And, and it's, um, a lot of different nation. Means a [00:44:00] lot of different mentalities. Yeah. I could see that example. For example, Italian cars, Italians in general and French people, they don't care about their cars. Really. For them, it's a point to get from a, it's a, it's a thing to get you from point A to point B.

Huh? Cars there are, they don't care. Dooring doesn't matter. Scrap the wall doesn't matter. Huh. If as long as it runs, it runs. So in there, of course there is exceptions everywhere, but Right. That's the general, um, rule. Mm-hmm. Also, you never buy a car from Italy. They say, yeah, I, I guess not. Right. You know, because, because I guess not.

They don't, they don't care that much about it. Of course, they're Italians who care about cars, you know, but, um, I think that they do get hail repaired because that insurance covers it. Right, right. But if there is a small like fender dent in it, I don't care. You, they just don't care about it. Yeah. That's [00:45:00] wild.

Yeah. So I'll be in Italy in two weeks. I'm gonna have to pay attention to it. Pay attention to the cars, see what the cars look like. Yeah, yeah. Of course. If you see a high-end car that's going to be, uh, kept well and maintained and everything, you know, but just see the average cars there. Huh. That's so funny because there's so many, and maybe they just have a ton of regular cars.

But when we think about Italian cars here, Lamborghini, Ferrari, Maserati, Maserati, like these are high-end, beautiful, gorgeous works of art cars and and they are, they're very valued and they do maintain those. But your regular cars and yeah. Your regular people in Italy, that's not like they get a good deal on a Lambo and Yeah.

It's not that you come in Italy and you see just Ferraris down the street, you know? Right. Everybody's got the F 40 up for the weekend. Mm-hmm. Um huh. Well that's cool. That's a good perspective. Yeah. And I'm really excited to go to Italy. Uh, I may see you there, maybe. Um, it depends on work situations and travel and everything.

Yes. So it's, uh, [00:46:00] it's a delicate situation in a way that I wanna be there. I wanna see you there, but I also wanna be here working at that time. Right. Catch a storm by then. Yes. Yeah. So we'll see what happens. If there's no storm I can catch by then I'll be there for sure. Nice. That's awesome. Well, I'm excited to go.

I've been studying up on my Italian. Yep. How does, what does family guy do? How's that go? Uh, pee Pop, pap ri, that's all you gotta do. All right. John's now actually, I am studying up on my Italian to at least try to be a little conversational, so we'll see. I am excited to go over and, uh, help, uh, support Bryce with some Kiko products.

Yeah. Uh, and Gidi sit in the class and watch Gidi. Yeah, work. I'm super excited for that. Uh, and then I've never been to Europe. I've never been to a trade show in Europe. I've never. I'm happy. I'm happy you're going. I was kind of hoping you would be the, that you would come to my place for the first time you would be in Europe, you know?

Yeah. Well we didn't schedule that [00:47:00] trip till next year. Yes. So we'll have to wait. Yep, yep. Yeah, it's all good. Um, should we run another show or another, uh, class? I mean, not like tomorrow I'm tired and I throw all the panels away, but next year I think we definitely should. Yes. Yeah. We gotta work on the logistics.

Yeah. Uh, I like the three days. Definitely. That is a win. That is. So it took us three years to get down to the, I would say almost perfect. Yes. Um, length of the class. Mm-hmm. Yep. To get everyone the best value. Yes. Agreed. And I also like the Thursday, Friday, Saturday. Yes. Get some great feedback that the students were like, oh man, I could still run my business.

Exactly. I keep things going. Yeah. And just missed two days and then just take a couple of days off of work. Yep. Even though it's three days and they could travel back last night or today, Sunday. Mm-hmm. Um, it was good. Yeah. Uh, I think we're thinking the weekend after MTE. Mm-hmm. [00:48:00] Man, that's gonna screw up.

Extended my MTE vacation. Why? Because we did that this year. And that's a new So you do it ahead of time. Well then how do I prep for MTE if I'm on vacation? You don't, you, you're always ready. No, man, you're messing me up. You're ready. If I wake you up at the midnight and say, Hey, go do mt. You be like, okay, cool.

I got it. Probably, probably could pull it off. Yeah. Just grab an old slideshow or something and make it happen. Um, damn it. I didn't think of that. Might have to go beforehand. Yeah, you go beforehand.

All right. Because to make it work, if you think about it, it's gonna be at the same time. 'cause MT was before and then you did vacation. Now it's gonna be vacation and empty is gonna be here. Yeah. So vacation stays at the same time. But MTE is a whole lot of work for me. Yeah. And it was nice to get a break after my whole lot of work instead of before.

Or you can look at it like you get a break before. So you are [00:49:00] well rested and you are top of your game at the mt. Hmm. All right. This might be a game changer. Game time decision. We'll figure it out. Yep. Gotta think about it. 'cause I really liked that extended trip. I have to look beforehand, but Level Up class 27, there's gonna be one.

Yes. We'll figure out the beats or more. Yeah. Depends how many people sign up. Yeah. Right. Because we still are keeping the eight spots limit per class. Yeah. Eights maximum. Yes. Yep. Maximum. Because that's a hard hustle. Mm-hmm. We got it done. Yep. Everybody was good. Mm-hmm. But eight is a hard hustle for sure.

Yes. Well, we've got a few minutes left to still stay under the hour. Uh, you just dropped. So last year, and I think, I think I even had you on right when it came live. You have your online trading portal. Yeah. I saw right before Level Up you dropped a new class, a new course. Yes. Uh, then you, you probably should have been on my last show when I was talking about being ready for hail.

[00:50:00] Yes. That should be there. Yeah. Uh, but I saw that you just dropped a new class for hail. Yes. Hail Damage Pro. Uh, so let's talk about that. What, what's, give me the rundown. Sell me on Hail Damage Pro. So when I was making that glass, I was thinking only everything I can make that you can listen and watch and learn from me, that will make you better, faster, and cleaner.

That's the only thing I was thinking when I was making this. How can I help someone make more money, fix more cars, nicer, cleaner. And it's more than nine hours of video together. Uh, like all the other classes, it's a one time payment, right? So you can watch it forever. And lifetime access. Lifetime access, yep.

And now would be the perfect time before the storms start popping up. So you, now you have time to watch it, [00:51:00] study it. And it, it includes everything from the steps of how I repair the car, how I glue, pool, um, how I move my lights, cross checking, um, how I set up my tools. Everything, basically everything.

It's a full rundown of how Jean does hail. Yes. So guys, I, I've worked next to this guy. I was gonna call you a freak, but like, in a good way, like freakishly fast. He's so fast and so efficient. Getting around the car, like when I step back and sort of study it and watch it, there's no wasted steps. So you're showing those kind of secrets?

Yes. How much is the class? 6 99 euros. So 700 euros, which is like 800 bucks. Yeah, I think so. Depend on the conversion rate, but around 800 somewhere. Yep. And like you said, nine hours, it's a little bit over nine hours. Yes. So like a full day of everything broken down [00:52:00] into editable or consumable sections?

Yes. Three, uh, 30 videos. Nice. Yep. Guys, that's a smoking deal to get, I think so, to get nine hours of John's knowledge on hail. Yep. Something that, that you can, like, if you pick up a couple little efficiencies and you save, what would, what would your guess be that the average hail tech. How much do you think they could save on a car if they took your class?

Depends on how many stuff they learned because you know, difference. That's what I'm saying. Average, but I'm saying like an average check producing, whatever. If they picked up a few of your tricks in there, how, what are they gonna save? Are they gonna save 10 minutes of car? Could they save an hour on a car?

Hours. Hours, probably hours. So this class could potentially save you hours of time. I mean it's a panel or a car, depends on where you're at and this damage. But it's [00:53:00] one, it could be one panel that you're investing. Mm-hmm. Into be so much faster. Yes. That's a no brainer. Yeah. And where do they go to find that?

They go to best pdr training.com and you see courses find hail damage Pro course. That's awesome. Perfect timing. Yeah. Like right before hail season pops off. Yeah. Yeah. And you can see all the, the list of all the videos included. Nazar took the course Nice. At the class. That's awesome. He saw it. He was like, I showed him the videos and first, 'cause the videos are in section and when you're looking on the phone you see just one section first.

Right, right. And he saw this and, and I was reading him the videos. He was looking, oh yeah, okay, good. I'll take it. And then I scroll down. Oh, there's more. Oh, there's more. Oh. Oh, perfect. Perfect. Yeah. That's awesome. That's fantastic. Yeah. Um, and we can agree, in fact we just proved it that in-person training is best.

Yes. If you can get over the shoulder, hands-on training, that's the best. [00:54:00] It comes with an investment of not just money. Mm-hmm. But your time. Yes. Your time away from work, from family, from home. Your drive time to get in your flight cost, your hotel rooms. Of course, without a doubt. The best training you can get is hands-on.

I have a slight, um, how would you say, I don't know, uh, adjustment to this. Okay, so I believe that I agree. Hands-on definitely best. But before you do hands-on if you're a complete beginner, right? No, nothing. I recommend and I believe that it's best to get some online, not a lot, just something. Mm-hmm. Build a foundation.

Build the foundation of finding a tip and understanding at what you are looking at the panel. [00:55:00] Yeah. How to set your light, how to find a tip. That's it. That's what you need to know. 'cause you don't, 'cause that's the first small aha moment you get when you're learning PDR. Right. It can take time and you don't want to be paying valuable a lot of money because trainers like you and me are using our time like we are giving our time.

Right. So you just sit there and trying to find the tip. Yeah. So my recommendation is learn how to find the tip to place the light, then go in person. Sure. And it's gonna be, yeah. Well that works great, but even advanced stuff like Yeah. Advanced Hail Pro. Yep. Or like the GPR masterclass, which is still available by the way.

It uh, it's branded a i but it's still there. There's 13 hours, over 13 hours of content in there. Covers that. All things glue polling. Um, if you can't do in person, look at some of these online resources, [00:56:00] there are some absolutely fantastic. Super valuable. Mm-hmm. And super affordable deals on online training.

And I'm not just saying that because I sell some and Jean sells some, but it absolutely is a resource that is way underutilized. I mean, but I'm sure your website does, but my website Yeah. Absolutely works right on your phone. Yep. Like same, oh, how did he set that up? Let me go back and look. Mm-hmm. What were those settings for here?

Yep. Get in and do it. It becomes a resource, not just a training asset. Yeah. Right. For sure. And I remember years and years ago, I, I went to the dan trainer.com Okay. I'll meet you. Mike Toledos. Yeah. I was a teacher on there. Yeah, me too. Yeah, me and Gene Ty. But years and years ago, I don't know, maybe eight, seven years, I, I signed up and [00:57:00] I watched, I didn't watch a.

I was busy working, but I watched one video that changed just one video of the whole thing, and I was happy I bought it. Yeah. It changed my whole, um, perception of how to repair and that's metal flow. Yeah. Crazy. Just, just this. Yeah. Because I, I was self-taught. Nobody explained to me metal flow that you need to lift the dent up if you want that crown to flow in.

Yep. Just that one video for me, it was worth all the money I gave there. Yeah. So, so inside of the masterclass, I've heard from several, several students that, so I've got one section in there called the Anatomy of a Tab. Mm-hmm. I think it's an hour in the course where I go over exactly like the technology and the thought and the design inside of glue tabs and how that applies to repair and how to pick the right tab.

Then everybody that watches that segment. Says it [00:58:00] changes how they loop pool cars. Yep. And how they pick tabs and how they assess things. Super valuable. Yeah. I've never taught that. Mm-hmm. In that depth anywhere except for that online course. Yeah. Because I don't have time. Yeah. And a training to spend that much time just nerding out about tabs.

Yeah. Like a tab, you know what I mean? Here. Yeah. And we have, you know, I don't know, hundreds of different tabs Yeah. In the class. Yeah. It's pretty amazing. Well, we're coming up on the hour mark. I don't wanna bore these guys too bad on a Monday morning. Yeah, no. We like to get 'em revved up and ready to go for the whole week up ahead.

Yes. Mm-hmm. Um, so guys, upcoming from me. Uh, I will be at the DB Expo. Uh, actually I'll be at the training with Bryce and Gdes, uh, beforehand and then at the DB expo, uh, putting that Kiko shirt back on and, uh, doing a little bit of work for the boys in blue, I guess. Yep. Different kind of boys in blue. Um, I'm excited to go over there and check that out.

And then. May [00:59:00] 1st is the Friday before the Anson Open House. I'm going to be doing a, uh, one day advanced glue polling class. So that's on. That is on. Nice. It is on. I'm going. I told Christina I'm taking the spot. Um, keep an eye out if you're interested or thinking about going. I've already got a couple of people that were like, Hey, send me the ticket as soon as it opens.

Uh, it will be a small class. I am the only one teaching it. Do we know the price of the ticket yet? No, I haven't decided. Price. All right. Uh, it will be under $1 million. Hmm. Which is a great deal. 1 million. $1 million. It will be less than that. Um, no, I haven't decided on the student count. Uh, still building out the exact syllabus.

Yep. I've done a bunch of advanced glue pulling for body text, um, and some of that crosses over. Mm-hmm. But I wanna really. Nerd out and get into some like reshaping. Yeah. Sharper, deeper, dense body line, dense, that kind of stuff. So building out my syllabus, building out my [01:00:00] course outline. Um, so duration, cost, and number of seats available to be determined.

However, very good chance that this is gonna sell out super fast and potentially even sell out before I make the checkout link public. Yeah. So I mean, who wouldn't wanna go learn from the guru about blue pooling? Right, right, exactly. So keep an eye out. Uh, maybe I'll sell some more glasses after I show the after of this BMW.

Yeah. You got some work ahead of you. A lot work to do. Are you sure you're going home on Tuesday? You can't stay and do that? Yeah, no, sorry, I got work to do. It looks fine. So I'm going home one time on Tuesday because uh, I will be at the E yesterday expo in Germany. Oh, nice. Yeah, that's coming up next weekend actually.

That's very cool. Yeah, this Friday. Oh, Friday and Saturday. Very cool. I wanted to make that this year. Igor wanted me to go, sorry, Igor. Um, level up, got in the way, and then I'm going to Italy and I can't swing two trips to Europe. Yeah. In a month, in a week, in a couple of week. Like, I guess I would probably It's two weeks would've [01:01:00] just stayed.

It's two weeks in between. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. I couldn't stay in Europe that long. And this flights are expensive. It's not cheap. It's not like flying to Orlando for me or something. It's, it's a, it's a, it's a price to get there. Um, so keep an eye out for advanced blue polling coming up. Um, PDR expos announced towards September 25th and sixth, something like that.

Yeah. Think that's what it is towards the end of September. Yep. We're gonna have, gonna have an exciting training there. I'm supposed to talk to Susan with MTE this week to hash out some of the details. But John, I don't know if you caught my episode, they're going to bring a car in to the education. So that we can do live hands on classes.

Yes. They want you to do that. Yes, yes, yes. I caught the, I listened to all the episodes. Oh, you did listen on your flight over. Yes, yes. Yeah. Yeah. I apologize. I've been too busy. Um, getting everything ready and working like a maniac, uh, to catch all of your shows. But before you cut out, you got your new show.

Yeah. [01:02:00] What are you eight? Eight episodes in? Eight episodes in, yes. What is it? We just had, uh, Stefan from the Smash Masters. Oh, nice. Stephani. Yep. Yep. Shout out Stefan. What's up, dude? I know you're a listener. Yep. So we just had him on, uh, the whole point of the show was how to get, of course, to get his background story and everything and to get to know him, but how to be get from the Body Tech to a PDR Tech.

Nice. Because that's what he's doing right now. That's his transition at the moment. Just in class we had, uh, Azar, yeah. Body Tech to PDR Tech John. John Body Tech to PDR Tech. Jeremy. Yep. Body Man to PDR R Tech. Yep. Mac Body Shop technician starting Yep. To PDR. Yeah. There's a big way. So I think what has happened is all these old body guys that I've been talking to for years that were like, man, I could've learned this in 73.

Not really. Like, man, I had the opportunity to do this 15 years ago, 20 years ago, 30 years ago, and I never did it [01:03:00] and I should have, I think they've gotten the ears of the younger guys and they're like, Hey, if you can go learn this PDR stuff, do it. You really should. Yeah. So I'm gonna have to go check that up.

Episode out and Chase. Chase. Oh yeah. Chase is a and Chase. Chase is the, so is that half, that's over half of the class. Yes. Yes. Was a body man before. Yep. That's wild. Yeah. That's crazy. Mm-hmm. Yeah. We always thought there would be more of that like coming up in the industry and now it's happening. Yeah, they're here and I think Blue Pull, in fact I'm certain Blue Pool is a stepping stone.

Blue pool's a big stepping stone for that. Um, in my online trainings. That's how I believe the best way to start learning PDR is, is through Glue Pool. So certainly my approach there. Oh, and I am officially signed up. I am competing in the glue pool only. Oh yes, yes. Competition in Canada, representing America.

Again, America to bring home the cup. This time baby. Listen, the hockey team went up there. Well not went up there. I mean went over [01:04:00] there to Italy. To Italy where you're going. And we won the gold against Canada. Yep. So I think it's only fitting that I go win the gold in Canada, actually in Canada for glue pulling.

Right. Here we go. Uh, I think that is May 15, 16. 16, 17. Uh, it's two days. Keep an eye out. Go to K Auto Pro, um, and check them out. And sign up. It's also a super cool event to attend, uh, because just watch Charlie and serve Charlie throws us right to the wolves. Yep. And man, we've got spectators up over our shoulder.

How are you pulling that? What are you doing there? It's super cool. Melissa's going up with me, uh, and I'm coming up, uh, guns a blazing. Not literally, figuratively, uh, I'm bringing the big no guns in Canada. No, no, no, no. That's what I'm saying. But glue guns a blazing. I'm coming up glue guns a blazing, uh, to, to get after this and do everything we can, so I'm super excited for that.

Anything else you want to add to the show, John? I think that's [01:05:00] it. Uh, go check out John's YouTube. Yeah. Or is it, it's just, yeah. My name John Z. Yeah. Zan. Yeah. Ick for us Americans. V-I-D-I-C. Yes. Um, got a bunch of subscribers. That's where you drop the shows all the time. Yes. Yes. Your video format just like this.

Mm-hmm. Also on Apple and Spotify and all the good stuff. Yep, yep. Just like us. Uh, and of course, go follow us at Denver Repair. Now on all social media. We are really getting a ton of traction on Facebook that I'm super excited about. So let's keep that going and guys. Until next time, we'll see ya. Thanks for watching.

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